Jordan Peterson on Constructing Your Identity, Chaos and Order, and the Escalating Culture Wars

Check out the topics covered in this video: Self-Identity | Jordan explains his theory for how identity is a dramatic role we play out. [1:33​] Logical Landscape | Jordan introduces subjective and objective experiences. [7:53​] Questioning Yourself | Jordan explains not getting what you want and identity. [9:10​] Functional identity | Jordan explains a functional identity that gets what you want. [12:03​] Tyranny of Culture | Jordan explains the reality of how social molding crushes identity. [15:19​] Identity Lies | Jordan shares his view of people deciding their own identity. [16:11​] Uncertainty | Jordan explains why people have a low tolerance to uncertainty [20:30​] Defining Identity | Tom and Jordan explore the elements of what makes identity. [23:49​] Identity Narrative | Jordan adds the fundamental element of identity and the story you tell together. [25:05​] Non-Negotiated Identity | Jordan explains the problem with insisting on an identity. [30:00​] Ethical Statement | Jordan explains the relationship between behavior and ethical statements. [37:30​] Responsibility | Jordan explains how responsibility and rights fit together. [40:01​] Cognitive Behavioral Therapy | Jordan reveals why you should run experiments to improve your quality of life. [44:05​] Resentment | Jordan uncovers the social and mental condition of acting from resentment. [48:15​] Artists | Jordan describes artists as intuitive and able to live in chaos and see possibility. [1:01:05​] Striving for More | Jordan questions the need to strive versus being happy with who and what we are. [1:04:26​] Slay the Dragon | Jordan elevates the meaning of slaying the dragon. [1:10:09​] Aim at One Thing | Jordan advises that aiming at something is better than nothing. [1:18:10​] Reality | Jordan shares a variation of Darwinian reality and objective reality. [1:22:05​] Prejudice Viewpoints | Jordan expands the idea of prejudices needed from excess information. [1:26:14​] Help | Jordan talks about the push-back he gets helping “deplorable” young men. [1:33:24​] Beyond Order | Jordan gets vulnerable and hopes it alleviates unnecessary suffering.” [1:37:10​]

People MUST watch this all the way through to the end. Just WOW. I love listening to Jordan speak and Tom did an outstanding job with such a difficult interview in terms of complexity of ideas, emotion, etc. BRAVO!! 👏🙌👏

Jordan Peterson CAN NOT STAY ON TOPIC!!!

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Thank you Tom for this interview. You as always know your guests so well, and you respect your goal of having a path for your viewers to be enlightened and encouraged by allowing your guests to have all the talking time they need. Jordan has been affecting and changing my life for the better for two years and still ongoing.

First, Tom is an amazing interviewer-- possibly the best of our generation. He has this amazing ability to find gems in ALMOST everything and his empathy for others is unmatched. I've watched dozens and dozens of interviews and I'm never left short of impressed.

Just started listening to Dr Peterson and am literally blown away. He has already made a difference in my life. I was an avoider too...no more.

Jordan..you have breached the chrysalis. The wings are permanent now and can't be taken away. You've earned them!

My English its not as sharp to understand this guy,.. I will listen one more time later, and check this guy and his work, there is something in the way he speaks that makes me feel a bit anxious,.. I will try to not judge

My theory is when the world improves people forget there can be conflict in life and you could be wrong. E.g commerical world gives us what we want and treat us well. Relationships can go against this. People cant handle it and thats why they dont talk. Their beliefs/bubbles are shattered. I think we have to choose our words carefully when we discuss ideas but we should be open to listening. Unfortunately, no one is trained to accept constructive criticism and it's negative for most people and they dont want to hear it.

Sure interesting.. but too many words and too complicated for me... but I’m sure Jordan is doing a good thing

As Jordan Peterson is gesticulating, I like to imagine little golden filaments emanating from his fingertips, almost like he is creating a web as he formulates and illustrates an idea.

We no longer live in a world that is negotiable. The world will simply tell you who you are.

What a brilliant interview Tom you've reached parts of him I had not seen before! Thank You

that guy says always the same things

It really hurt me to see Jordan so sad in the end... he is very worthy, he is a brave, honest and loving man.

"If you don't have a plan, then you are a tool into some else's plan". So much gold into this conversation, but this is what resonated with me the most.

Jordan Peterson is sent by God!

I’m really impressed by Tom! I haven’t watched his videos in a while and I definitely see his development! Tom, it’s time to read Dostoyevsky, if you haven’t already;)

I love Jordan Peterson.

So much love for this conversation! 💚💚💚

Tom just played psychologist with Dr. Peterson. #zerouavida Damn.

What do you do if you are a child who did not learn how to socialize between the age of 2 and 4? What would Jordan say?

Hard to believe that 850+ people don't like this.....missed opportunity, folks.

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JP was instrumental in my “dark night of the soul” period I was stuck in for 2 years. I'm so grateful for his teachings and explaining exactly what my mind was doing and helping me dig myself out of my self pity and victim hood. I lost myself and therefore everything. When you think things can't get any worse - they really can!! I was there. Now I'm a different person and still climbing. Thank you Sir! 🙏 I am not a victim. Bad things happened which I reacted in full decades later all because I didn't have any boundaries or know how to be assertive or say no, you saved my life . I would not be here. You're a rare diamond in a world of chaos x

Tom, you've been a guiding lighting in my life, as Jordan has been for you. Epic podcast! I'm a huge fan of JP as well!

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In regards to having a conscience and it not letting you go. My life actually got a lot better once I got rid of my conscience. To be constantly bothered by a guilty conscience is troublesome and will only slow you down or stop you from reaching your goals. When looking back when I was younger and I did have a conscience and acted accordingly to it, I can't see the benefit from it now. But that does not mean I'm a bad person. In fact, I value integrity, honesty, and dignity more than anything, values that often get in the way of becoming rich for example because that road is more often than not dirty as hell. But I don't let myself be bothered with conscience, guilt, shame etc. because it's all nonsense at the end of the day, which morally self-righteous people use to their own advantage to get ahead on the chessboard. But in this game of life, the only thing that matters is hierarchies, positions, opportunities, and self-interest. What you think, what you believe, how you feel - NONE of that matters! You want the best things in life, then change and adapt to the best places/peoples/situations.

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A superficial construct of identity deconstructs the soul and the individual rendering them malleable, dependent, isolated, devalued indentured subjects.

What happens to a person, actually a massive group of people, that can't live or won't or find their way through the "new" world as presented by the leftists? I guess it's time to stand and fight for what you did know, where comfortable with, reflect the world around you, serves a positive function to society and is objectively observable in nature.

INCREDIBLE! What an amazing honest and compassionate man ! Breaks my heart that someone so accomplished and brilliant can not enjoy the fruits of his labour without criticism and judgement. Life is pain and suffering if you think it is but it’s only a test of those those things. They are not real. It is only the idea of those things, we need to go beyond to a place where only the spirit resides and we only have ourselves to judge.

The humility and intelligence in this piece of artwork is breathtaking. Two of the most brilliant mentors I have ever had, both in one place. F*ing amazing, thank you, from the bottom of my heart and soul.

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Interesting conversation I don't believe that consciousness itself is an identity its an experience.

Jordan is such an amazing man. This society needs him.

Jordan needs to write his next book, "12 rule for hyper-successful."

The left attack Jordan because they believe that he is an existential threat to their Marxist hostile takeover and power agenda. Jordan speaks from the ideological basis of the enlightenment which is a fairly liberal philosophy. The left hate liberals just as much as they hate conservatives. Try going to a leftist town hall gathering and speaking your true mind as an individual outside of leftist identity group politics talking points and watch as you get shouted down as fast as you opened your mouth.

Bring back the beard Jordan.

Great conversation!

Ok but what about Tom's amazing posture?

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Thank you 🙏🏼 Jordan Peterson

What a GREAT conversation, oh my. I confess that when he said he feels broken and unworthy a tear rolled down my cheek...I don't understand how can someone demonize such a person/thinker!

Reality is a stage....period

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Its easy everything that has gone before makes your point in space time everyone and everything is inside a time sphere you are born at the centre that is one corner of the triangle the circumference of the sphere is the other corner of the triangle one is birth the other is death the last or third corner of the triangle is your present time and can move anywhere and experience anything within the sphere in which the universe is o also i ve had a few

A Sain voice in a sea of Fem-splaining!

“I feel so unworthy.” -pause. “Unworthy of what?” -pause. [interjection] Life itself and the happiness thereof. The guilt of our iniquities weigh heavily on our subconscious identity as to impose on our conscious reality the inevitable consequence of said iniquities. IE: death. As Jordan is so apt to do, I will quote the Old Testament. Ecclesiastes 1:12-18. Specifically in Jordan’s case verses 17-18, which read “And I applied my heart to know wisdom and to know madness and folly. I perceived that this also is but a striving after wind. For in much wisdom is much vexation, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.” I have been and will continue to pray for Jordan and those he reaches, for he is so close to the truth, yet blind to it. My dear friend Jordan, God is real and He is not a metaphoric entity created by our subconsciously help us navigate our perceived reality. He is why you fear. But, Proverbs 1:7: “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.” If I never have the opportunity to meet you Jordan, do not die in your sin, in your iniquity, and unbelief. The dragon (of your fears) is real, and He is God. Yet He does not want to devour you. He wants you to share in His treasures, to BE His treasured. For eternity. God bless you and soften your heart. Ciao

Sometimes we just overtime. Its okay to take a break.

Thank you Dr.Peterson and tom for this discussion, for professor Peterson about why is he being targeted when he is honestly trying to help people to become truthful is not baffling to me at all after all jesus the ideal was crucified by the choice of people, that's always been the pattern, the good who speak to the soul in people to push them to be better will be mostly punished. And for Dr.Peterson i wish you'd be able to see yourself from the eyes of a lost young man as myself to know just how much your true worth of who you are in our eyes you deserve all peace and i am with tom that you're making the lives of so many better in unmeasurable way, thank you that you have been in a way the ideal in real life to aspire to be like and as truthful that you are.

Tom, your real time comments and sensitivity here was wonderful!

Hello Tom, I've been following Jordan Peterson for some time, and share your admiration for this great man. I think I can help him. I could go into some detail - but, at the outset, I want you to just entertain the idea that maybe I can help. That's all you really need to consider. That's the hook. Towards the end of the interview, you made the point that you weren't family and therefore perhaps your are words could not reach him to the degree you would like them to. As I watched you two, the love and respect flowing between you was familial. You did reach him. I have developed a philosophical stance--just using logic--the value of which I think both you and he will recognize. My contacting him directly is unlikely. But, I figure I might be able to reach you. Once again, if you think that there's just the slightest chance that I might actually have some insight into how to alleviate that crushing burden of his feeling that he is undeserving - I think you'll reach for it. I hope you do. I want you to get in touch with me and allow me to impress you with my wisdom. I figure the sequence will go, emails for a while, and then a phone conversation. I'm not looking for an interview; I'm looking for a connection with someone who can help me benefit others with what I have developed. Hoping to hear from you soon. John Huckel

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This is so deep. 🤩

This might be the best JBP interview

The depth and quality of the discussion in this video is remarkable. This level of self-examination is the antidote to the cultural decline we see throughout American society. The U.S. university system is in dire need of Jordan Peterson inspired thinkers.

This podcast is exactly what I needed ! God bless you Jordan ! I learn way more things about psychology by watching jordan's podcasts and lectures than by going to college ! I know that Jordan is going to get upset if he reads this comment because it's another proof that the universities aren't doing their job... but unfortunately it's the truth. I'm in grad-school, studying psychology, right now and Jordan has been (and still is) my best teacher. Y'all guys don't need to go to college to learn Human Sciences, you just need to listen to Jordan everyday. You won't learn anything more in University ! Whatever... Be well Jordan, we love you ! Take care of yourself ! You're like a light in the middle of the darkness ! Much love from France !

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People that think Jordan Peterson considered himself infallible and that he is a hypocrite giving advice due to his latest troubles... never actually understood, read or listened to Jordan Peterson.

I like Jordan Peterson so much but the whole evolution/darwin stuff is truly unbelievable even if one doesn't take the Word literally. The Word has proved true in history, geography, advice and fulfilled prophecy and coming to fruition rapidly. The fact that Israel exists at all whether hated or loved-exists proves that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the only God. No self fulfilling prophecy. Man is too fickle for that. And the more New Testament manuscripts are found the textual purity of the Bible proves true. And the variants are irrelevant. What has he found true about evolution? Fred Hoyle and Colin Patterson couldn't. Adaptation yes. Before the flood people lived 100s of years. They were far superior and better equipped than we are. After the flood humans had to start over. And fend with Entropy. The devil is currently the prince of this earth and the air. He's on a long leash. He would certainly corrupt 'science'. 3 For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. 4 So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.…2 Timothy 4:4 This Christ Jordan Peterson described sounds like the U.N.s Cosmic Christ which is the spirit of the Antichrist. Order out of Chaos is Masonic. We are not progressing. We're not more intelligent than the Germans in the 30s. We are less.

Great Video!

Thanks for sharing these sessions..

Identity is what creates all your misery. Observe it. You adopted it all from second hand sources. It is all second hand. Your accumulated 'mind' is second hand. It is a cultural construct that you have come to believe is you. This whole mask and facade can be dropped. Go beyond psychology. Find your original face. Consider original innocence.

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TO JP: I loved being a clinician BUT the system is a mess. U just paid the price that u say ppl must be willing to pay. So what’s the beef guy? Pain is part of life and u are no longer on the upper hierarchy u so love to harp about so now I know why u aren’t QUITE as shitty in your interviews. LOTS of us question meaning and life and death and we come to our own truth and we r free to do that but u r still coming from a conservative perspective and u will never be one of us. Human yes but not the hugely intuitive ppl that see so much mediocrity in the world and then u scream about natural hierarchy ITS NOT NATURAL anymore can’t u see that? The culture war is simply a CHANGE in the hierarchy what was valued long ago with the ridiculous rt is not being valued by the culture at large not Bec its so uneven but Bec it’s so RIGGED! What is success? U really never question BEST OR SUCCESS! the left does and I don’t mean that far left crap I am a believer in balance but your version of balance is creating more RESENTMENT AND MEDIOCRITY! everyone can’t be best But does that make number 2-3-infinity LESS and they r supposed to feel good about that. I once heard u say if u had to have brain surgery, u WOUDL want the best wouldnt u. Honestly think most would BUT guess what we can’t all have the best! r u really gonna sit there and say that being the number 10 neurosurgeon is BAD? U really are coming across as one sided on this competence issue. What is competence? Do u ever question that? Competence isn’t about crushing your opponent. There IS a social aspect to it and too many ppl now the the Peter principle COME ALIVE and it ain’t Bec of the left! . It’s always been there always! But now that is it slowly changing u think it’s about INCOMPETENCE! U just ASSUME that a arbitrary ranking of #1 surgeon is what soemoen WOUDL want but those who have moved past this simple acceptance of ‘rank’ based on WHAT? How many they didn’t kill? Outcomes r always subjective. It’s ppls reports maybe they walk better afterward and that is their quality of life they wanted most. They likely will report a better outcome. U rt wingers r always caught up with calling the left communists and everyone being the same AND THATS NOT WHAT IT IS! we have been so disrespected in the most basic of levels and u think it’s about this identity of race gender. Guess what! ITS THE WAY TO WIN Bec ur version is the status quo and won’t SERVE this species in the future Bec it will KILL US ALL OFF! Hierarchy isn’t the enemy and it never was. It’s the arrogance to beleive that might makes right even to the point of EXTINCTION of our species w your way and we r sick of seeing this justification by u ppl in order to keep the status quo

For the last time, WE DO NOT WANT OR ASK FOR EQUAL OUTCOME! Damn u r dumb ITS TRUE EQUAL ACCESS AND OPPORTUNITY It is YOU THAT IS SOCIALIST U WANT TO BE THE SAME ON THE OUTSIDE AND LIE TO EVERYONE BEC U want everyone to act the same. The white male world is NOT the supreme version. I know I am lousy at certain things but I know what I am very good at. Guess what the moderate left is getting stronger and you won’t be at the top much longer. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 let’s see how u handle (and don’t be RESENTFUL) when u r on the BOTTOM 😂🤣😂😂😂😂🤣

You are very welcome.

Old Jordan doesn’t get the US culture AT ALL!

It’s not a war on competence! It’s a war on mediocrity and the status quo! U conservs never get that! U talk about if it’s working, then let conservs run it yet u say ‘run it more efficiently’ this is ridiculous! Strong conservs esp do like to live by rules yet they thwart every movement forward w huge resentment but they r usu passive aggressive and SLOW DOWN EFFICIENCYz it’s a rule change and they don’t want it and they r constantly r afraid about losing job. U r contradicting yourself JP. These two men r just jacking off to each other’s brain thinking. Just gets sickening

Excellent discussion here Tom. Thank you. One of your best. Perhaps my favorite of yours.

Blessed to listen ty

I´m a leftist on many levels but I´d buy Peterson a beer any day. All the hate he has put up with for being a mix of honest and intelligent. Tom interviewing is brilliant as well. The "unworthy" moment as well as the final minutes are incredible.

Jordan Peterson has provided skeptics some of the missing evidence for proof that Jesus Christ is God. What a phenomenal person he is.

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The comparison to Hitler having so many followers - just wow! So reflective

Why does nobody care about the bigger picture? The elephant in the room? The fact that none of this small talk matters?

Jordon... thank you for sharing your heart, mind and experience. Tom... you conducted the interview with such thoughtfulness. Thank you!

Peterson is controversial because he courageously faces the aggression and reputation destruction inherent in our age of social media and refuses to accept lies. In doing so, he forces anyone that will listen to reflect upon themselves and their behaviour in ways that are uncomfortable. For many, to accept what Peterson says requires that they acknowledge their own failures. So they choose not to listen and continue the denigration. All reasonable thinking people would accept what Peterson has to say as, at the least, thoughtful and exciting. Unfortunately, he exists in a world and on platforms rife with narcissism, derangement and immaturity. People don't want to hear what Peterson has to say because they know deep down that he is right about many things they don't want to accept. People don't want responsibility. Far easier to group up and attack the source than to shoulder the burden on your own. Young women are responsible for this far more than any men. It is not a coincidence that Peterson is met with such vitriol in an online world dominated by female aggression and reputation destruction from an iGen of pathological women with profound mental health problems and victimhood. Peterson is the antithesis of the social justice warrior, and he is taking on millions at a time on his own. It's no wonder he is exhausted.

I want to tell him that it’s not just millions of people “cheering”, it’s millions of people loving him. We’re responding to his authenticity and openness. We see ourselves in Jordan and we need more people like him in the world. Stay open-hearted my man, we respect you, and we love you.

Jordan is the father I never had. Thank you. My demons always creep back in, as they bring comfort, but hearing your lectures help me reset.

too much interruption, let JP end his statements damn it!

1:17:19 - "The most ardent feminist is primarily concerned with helping troubled young men not be so troubled." Uhm no JBP. They are most concerned with the propagation of marxist ideologies, the destruction of masculinity, of the patriarchy and of the nuclear family.

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He does not have a choice ... to be someone else than he is; he is bearing a “cross” , of knowledge. I just pray for his health , we need him to be strong and healthy ... with God’s help 🙏... He wants to help us, he cannot do otherwise ... Be well Dr Peterson, please. ...🙏Thank you

Thank you Tom for having this great man

Tom I can’t help but notice all this is coming from a middle aged white male, the main driver of culture. U two don’t address a few things, like 1- in accepting the ‘tyranny’ of culture u r acquiescing to it 2- society changes and it takes gutsy ppl that don’t acquiesce in order to help drive change 3- u harp about rights but SOCIETY years ago felt as a gay person you didn’t have any rights, u were ‘CANCELED’ by conserves. What about basic RESPECT? what u didn’t mention is that the existing structure DID, in fact treat u as a RACE or a GENDER. when u have such a lack of anything other than the prevailing attitudes and desires of European white male conquerors along with rugged individualism who really seem bent on only valuing a dyed piece of paper with printing on it, this whole argument is rationalized via your white male eyes. Yes life is unfair, yes we r generally all shit on during our lives BUT these types of arguments for essentially the status quo always seem to originate from the same old people. This is coming Across like tough titty, we r in power and that’s it. I find this arrogant. When it comes to social cues and a number of other factors, not everyone is the same. And when I said RESPECT, Christ everyone deserves basic respect. Tell your deal here to the myriad of black and gay people who were killed Bec of their color or sex orientation ALONE. Tell women we aren’t good enuf to work a mans job Bec I do and I am a straight white female. We don’t want equal outcomes we want EQUAL ACCESS AND EQUAL RESPECT and I can tell u it don’t happen. it’s tiring to have ppl like you find every way in the book to construct an idea to keep u in power. Easy for you to say ‘you have every right to feel defensive BUT DONT!’ we r the ones that have to live it and I bet if u magically woke up as a black male u might find it hard to deal with. cant u see that having no role models that look like us, no exposure to the realm that a lot of others get, to grown up with aociety telling u in so many ways u r not valued. Well shit guy resentment will likely be part of it and u telling us to use your mind doesn’t change the resentment we feel. I know CBT and I know all about behavioral patterns and ‘doing it anyway’ but to never have power to chart your own course and to STILL be so sexual ones by men makes me ill. The tough titty attitude AS WELL as the extreme leftie stances r those ying and yang that never gets balanced. Any number feel they will take the heat they will upset the apple cart in order to effectuate change. I will say Jordan doesnt act quite as arrogant and shitty as he used to. Maybe he found out his shit does stink Bec of his addiction and the ridiculous notion that he could, alone, detox. U can die and yet here u go. Pride and ego rear their head. And as for you Tom. You clearly stated you don’t care about yourself, u care about others. I call BULLSHIT. Those behaviors u do including helping others FEED YOUR EGO needs. You wouldn’t and couldn’t behave consistently if it didn’t. No one can. U do have needs and wants. NO ONE is immune and no is totally altruistic. HUMANS NEED and u r human ARENT you? and lastly u seriously contradicted yourself when u said your priorities. I mean do u really expect us to believe when u say you work all the time or work out that your wife and family still come first?! no way. You have some self learning to do. U get off on this stuff. Nothing wrong with that but be honest! There is so much psychologically that u r missing and to tell a black or white man, who MAY have socialization of the hood that he has every right to be resentful BUT behave my way to help yourself. What a crock of shit! Behavioral patterns r really embossed on you. Why not redo his life already? Go to the hood back 25 years and live in their world and u then come outta that and say OH, I can change my behavior! And oh I can do it by myself as tho a person wouldn’t need enormous help in establishing much change at all. it just slays me every time old Jordan starts up he has sycophants that try to emulate him. U have swallowed this stuff wo question. And before anyone says otherwise. Jordan has some very good pts to make BUT every time he ends up coming across as TOUGH TITTY deal with it and take ALWAYS forbidden to ask for BASIC RESPECT FOR BEING DIFFERENT. that is why identity politics got started. yes Some of it is overboard. BUT we would never have seen any of the diversity that we do see without it. Remember society and culture is strong but it doesn’t give it the right to excuse injustice and huge level of inequality simply based on color of skin or gender. And identity politics gained momentum BEC U PPL WHO REPRESENT OUR ENTIRE SOCIETY REFUSED TO GIVE US A CHANCE OR EVEN BASIC RESPECT. Cant u see it’s the only way it brings the convo to this level. u just don’t get it and I am not a supporter of it in the extreme but u will play hell keeping them all down NOW as u guys did even 50 yrs ago. besides u can talk all u want about it BUT every empire falls and progress is made. asking ppl to squelch SOMETHING so integral and so valued by them only to be told tough shut up is NOT the answer.

JP keeps it simple. That’s helpful for all of us. It’s incredibly deep. But he describes things simply. Sometimes the interpretations of JP’s words go waaaay beyond comprehension or are ‘reframed’ into something unhelpful and without utility.

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Some of what he says is excellent but Jordan Peterson has some real flaws and blind spots and heavy bias Guess what!? We all do

His T-shirt 私は人間です, "I'm a human" is awesome.

The Japanese word "人間" on your T-shirt for HUMAN basically means "between people" This resonates so much with your conversation about identity.

Great convo Tom! I’ve been a big fan of JP for about three or four years now. You ask great questions man! Amazing job to both of you!

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Could this play into why Dr. Peterson has been so harshly treated? "Whether or not the judge is hungry [[or has been receiving disgusted faces or unfair treatment in an economic game...?]] is a better determinant of whether or not you'll get parole than what you've done." amhistory.info/to/video/qZJ-b6piqV52pWI (YT video "xaN9F1q-Fn0" - "Jordan Peterson ~ Why Can't You Let Go Of An Unfair Treatment?")

I commend you Tom for how you handle interruptions and still carry your part of conversation when given the chance.

"The truth is something that burns. It burns off dead wood, and people don’t like having dead wood burned off, often because they’re 95% dead wood” - Jordan Peterson This is why they hate him, because they don't want the truth. They cover their ears and try not to look as they run away cursing his name.